Update #1 Spoiler Confirmed // Naruto Manga 445 Review ₪ 446 Predictions

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Hey everyone,

I thought I might as well write up a quick review since this chapter picked up on Nagato’s story.  Overall, this chapter was O.K. for a lack of a better term.  We find out a few things that I’ll go on to point out.  I’m cutting this one short on account that I have some other business to attend to.  I’ll be back on track next Friday so don’t ditch mars quite yet.

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The previous chapter was pretty intense with the deaths of Nagato’s parents, but what caught our eye the most was the use of his Rinnegan.  Why?  It was the first time he ever used it.  This is before he used it on the guy that attacked Yahiko when they trained with poor Jiraiya.  How he was able to master it is still unknown, but I’m sure it had to do with Yahiko’s death in some way.

I don’t know about you guys but IMO it’s hard to picture these panels with Nagato having red hair.  I say Kishi should of kept it black because it captures his personality on many levels.  The sensitive kind boy with hidden powers. Prone to crying after killing some soldiers but, as we come to know, nothing phases him after becoming an adult.

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It seems to me that he fainted upon activating the Rinnegan, but he’s quick to get up and mourn for his parents.  These are the kind of panels that make Nagato likable.  He avenged his parents, gave them a proper burial, and moved on with the little food he had.  After eating his last portion of bread he goes on to knock on strangers’ doors and ask for food.  Naturally he is rejected because of the scarce quantity going round and the war that was taking place.

Now this may be overthinking it, but could this possibly be the cause of Nagato’s anorexia?  Probably not, but it’s always nice to tie the past to the present haha.

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Prior to knocking on doors, Nagato faints and comes across a dog.  If it weren’t for Tiny, Nagato would of lost his will to live.  I’m sure of it…well maybe not but he was significant in the sense that Nagato was motivated to get up and look for food.

Pages 5-7 were hilarious.  If you have a chance, stop here, look over them and tell me what you noticed…tick…tick…tick..times up!  It seems everytime Nagato runs out of food, he falls on his face rofl.  That’s twice in the span of 2 pages.  Priceless.

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Soon after “fainting” he meets Konan.  She offers him some bread and brings him to the cave she and Yahiko resided in.  There they became friends and the rest is history.  Speaking of history, let’s not forget that these characters are as old as Minato if not older.  They go way back.

This puts everything into perspective.  Perhaps this is why they stuck together, as a trio, eversince they first met.  Orphans that made it through hard times together.  It doesn’t get any tighter than that.

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So one day they happen to walk down Amegakure in search of some food.  I’m assuming it was food since Nagato touched upon how they stole food to stay alive .  Yahiko brings up the subject of dreams and starts preaching about his dream to rule the world. Coincidentally, during this enlightening conversation, a kunai with a seal comes dropping from the sky in their area.  Happens all the time.

Anyhow, the seal explodes and everyone seems to be ok except Tiny.  How sad…This tune is dedicated to the death of Tiny.  Click here to listen.  You will always be remembered.  Well how do I know he dies?  When they meet Jiraiya for the first time, Tiny is no where to be seen hence his death.  I’m sorry folks, but he doesn’t show up from here on there.  Shame on me for putting so much emphasis on Tiny.

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They find the source of the kunai to be the great battle between the Sannin and Hanzo.  The battle in which Hanzo deemed Jiraiya, Orochimaru, and Tsunade the three great Sannin given that they were the only ones to survive his awesome power.  Let’s not forget that Nagato goes on to kill Hanzo, his family, friends and everyone else that was connected to him in some way.

Yahiko wasn’t having it as he punches the nearby tree in spite of the kunai that almost killed him.  He pledged to become God and rid the world of war.  Good luck pal.  On to the final thoughts.  Don’t forget, click orange text to reveal a link.

Final notes:

Just a few subtle things I noticed that you may have as well.  First, it was raining throughout the whole chapter hence Amekarure’s alternate name, The Hidden Rain Village.  And two, the rain jackets they wore are slightly different to the ones they wore when they met the Sannin back in chapter 372.

Expect Nagato’s story to continue in the next chapter.  They’ll most likely witness the conclusion of the battle and devise a plan to take advantage of the Sannin’s talent.  History tells us that Hanzo spares the Sannin and returns to his home.  Then being the gutsy guy Yahiko is, he comes up to them asking for some food.  The three orphans receive food and Yahiko asks the Sannin to teach them ninjutsu.  Jiraiya insists and takes them in yadda yadda.  If you want to catch the rest check out chapter 372.

There are so many parallels between this pair — Nagato & Yahiko — and the abundant pairs in the series but I’ll touch upon a few. Their bond is similar to Naruto/Sasuke and Jiraiya/Orochimaru.  The first name from each pair looks up to the second name.  The first name tries to save the second name.  The second name is overpowering on some levels.

It’s clear that Nagato picks up a few things from Yahiko after his death.  Similar to how Kakashi picked up Obito’s calm and playful demeanor.  Unless Kishi decided to change some things, expect Yahiko to suggest asking the Sannin for food.  If things go at this pace expect this story to cover 4 or 5 more chapters.  They haven’t met Jiraiya yet and we have to find out what happened to this group after Jiraiya teaches them ninjutsu and releases them to live on their own.  Until next time my fellow readers and sorry about the polls.  Didn’t have time to put some up.  Later mar tards.

-ronbroken1i

Priceless Panel” Award

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Top 10 Comments

This section includes the top ten informative comments from the comments section.  Will update upon reading each comment.  Don’t feel inclined to write essays worth of comments.  This is more so people can hear what you have to say.

8. manny814 Says:

Uno

@broken1i:Thanks for the post during your busy school days
I enjoyed your parallels between characters theory. In addition to those points you made I would also add that the first name was not able to “Save” the second name. That mixed with Kakuro’s prediction that Yahiko’s death at Hanzo’s hands makes your parallels comment even stronger. Pain’s actions against Hanzo of killing him his friends and his family might also be explained as acts of revenge.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/369/14/

We also need explanations behind the mysterious bodies of pain. And was it really just a coincidence that Jiraya had seen, met, or even fought in the past all the warriors that became Pains bodies.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/380/01/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/381/08/
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/381/14/

@Mythus: What do you mean find the sage of the six paths. According to Jiraya the Six Path Sage was a very ancient person who was the founder of the ninja world and the inventor of ninjutsu itself.
A person that was accepted by most as a legend. A person that if had existed would be much too old for Nagato to meet.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/373/03/

It also seems like its a very rare technique that only happens once in a thousand years. So rare that two ringeran users existing in the same world seems very unlikely.
Although activating the ringeran during battle seems like its more instinct than skill it also seems that in the future he does learn somehow about the Sage of the six paths. This might be through Jiraya himself during their time of training or from other even older characters like Madara. Nagato needs to hear more about the powers of the ringeran to :
Control the six paths – through 6 different bodies
Create gigantic moons through the use of chibaku tensei
And maybe even the source of those annoying black rods

He surely expresses his knowledge of what the previous Sage of the Six paths was able to do

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/439/08/

The question is who or how did Nagato learn of these powers .
Only so much can be contributed to natural skill and instinct the rest of these skills had to be learned somehow. I’m hoping some of these questions will be answered during Nagato’s Storytelling time.

PS Rest in peace Tiny

9. Mythus Says:

Do you see Nagato as an EMO? Oh, my… don’t do that. Let his hair be red!

I’m still waiting to see why Rinnegan is stronger then Sharingan. But somehow what Nagato did to kill in his childhood isn’t what he’s doing now. Somehow he’s able to kill just by looking to the enemy. If Nagato didn’t need Naruto alive, maybe he would have a different approach in their combat.

Nagato appears to have no personality, no vision, no perspective about his reality. He’s a complete looser. For a person who already suffer a lot, trying to survive the war with his parents and be left alone after an “Ops! We killed your parents by accident… Sorry pal.” This Nagato with no reaction towards life hardly would become the Nagato who wants to destroy anyone who doesn’t agree his idea of peace.

One interesting thing to see is that Konan, who feels no bitterness even walking side by side with those two.

10. kakuro Says:

awesome review I’m glad somebody had the decency not make a joke about the second source of pain being tiny’s death. seriously everybody at the leafninja forums went and changed all their avatars to something about a dead dog. which to me as a dog lover is just fucked up. anyway I like the things you pointed out about the whole food shortage thing being the cause for his emaciated body which is probably true as the civil war and Rain’s isolationist policy in general would screw up trade and supply routes. I also agree that yahiko’s goals and mind set probably did get passed down to nagato in a sort of personality dialysis. I’m getting the feeling that the next chapter will probably show the Rain orphans as adults and yahiko’s death at hanzou’s hands explaining why nagato went overkill on him. I’m also betting that it’s only been a few years or so since he killed hanzou as Ryuusei talked about it like it was pretty recent like a year or two at best. anyway ignore my mad ramblings and continue to post awesome reviews.

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29 Responses to “Update #1 Spoiler Confirmed // Naruto Manga 445 Review ₪ 446 Predictions”

  1. Uno

    @broken1i:Thanks for the post during your busy school days
    I enjoyed your parallels between characters theory. In addition to those points you made I would also add that the first name was not able to “Save” the second name. That mixed with Kakuro’s prediction that Yahiko’s death at Hanzo’s hands makes your parallels comment even stronger. Pain’s actions against Hanzo of killing him his friends and his family might also be explained as acts of revenge.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/369/14/

    We also need explanations behind the mysterious bodies of pain. And was it really just a coincidence that Jiraya had seen, met, or even fought in the past all the warriors that became Pains bodies.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/380/01/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/381/08/
    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/381/14/

    @Mythus: What do you mean find the sage of the six paths. According to Jiraya the Six Path Sage was a very ancient person who was the founder of the ninja world and the inventor of ninjutsu itself.
    A person that was accepted by most as a legend. A person that if had existed would be much too old for Nagato to meet.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/373/03/

    It also seems like its a very rare technique that only happens once in a thousand years. So rare that two ringeran users existing in the same world seems very unlikely.
    Although activating the ringeran during battle seems like its more instinct than skill it also seems that in the future he does learn somehow about the Sage of the six paths. This might be through Jiraya himself during their time of training or from other even older characters like Madara. Nagato needs to hear more about the powers of the ringeran to :
    Control the six paths – through 6 different bodies
    Create gigantic moons through the use of chibaku tensei
    And maybe even the source of those annoying black rods

    He surely expresses his knowledge of what the previous Sage of the Six paths was able to do

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/439/08/

    The question is who or how did Nagato learn of these powers .
    Only so much can be contributed to natural skill and instinct the rest of these skills had to be learned somehow. I’m hoping some of these questions will be answered during Nagato’s Storytelling time.

    PS Rest in peace Tiny

  2. Do you see Nagato as an EMO? Oh, my… don’t do that. Let his hair be red!

    I’m still waiting to see why Rinnegan is stronger then Sharingan. But somehow what Nagato did to kill in his childhood isn’t what he’s doing now. Somehow he’s able to kill just by looking to the enemy. If Nagato didn’t need Naruto alive, maybe he would have a different approach in their combat.

    Nagato appears to have no personality, no vision, no perspective about his reality. He’s a complete looser. For a person who already suffer a lot, trying to survive the war with his parents and be left alone after an “Ops! We killed your parents by accident… Sorry pal.” This Nagato with no reaction towards life hardly would become the Nagato who wants to destroy anyone who doesn’t agree his idea of peace.

    One interesting thing to see is that Konan, who feels no bitterness even walking side by side with those two.

  3. I don’t think he’s and emo, but it’s not like he’s wearing eye-liner or something haha. I think the Rinnegan has a powerful genjutsu that crushes it’s opponents brains or something. It might not phase Naruto because of sage mode, but you’re right that’s still a mystery. Konan is a weird case. She must love Nagato.

  4. broken1i could you check if there are any blocked messeges from me

  5. Def will do right now.

  6. Wow, I so knew you’re were the first person to post. I’m like, Manny’s always on. Hey make a wordpress account so I can give you editing access. That way your comments won’t be moderated. Just email me at wordonmars@gmail.com Hop to it 😛

  7. @manny814: Nagato knew about the power of the sage of sixth paths. If Madara, with the power of his eyes could live until today, why the Sage won’t be alive? It’s true that maybe Nagato could be taught by Madara, but I guess Nagato is somebody else’s pupil (besides Jiraya).

    Well… there is no solid evidence for anything I said. 🙂

  8. @ manny: I got to read your comment. You’re right about the people that were the actual pains. I’m curious to know the correlation between Nagato’s puppets and their connection to Jiraiya. Excellent point.

    @ mythus: Nagato’s ability to control the rinnegan has to stem from another source. Madara’s the best candidate to teach him the secrets behind his power being that he’s been living for the longest as you said. Another excellent point.

  9. @broken1i: How could Madara teach something he doesn’t know or have? Chacra receivers and rinegan are things only seen in Nagato’s jutus.

  10. Well having been around for so long, I figured he’d know a bit about the rinnegan. Just assuming. 😉

  11. @Mythus : I think that folklore may be the source of Nagato’s abilities and powers. However with time stories get lost and changed as a result the older you are the more details you might know that may have been true about these events that happened long ago.

    Once Nagato learned about these possible powers that may be available to him because of his Ringerang it was up to him to develop these possible skillls through training, and experimentation.

    Although Nagato is able to use his version of the “six paths” it may be a slightly different varriation than the original Sage of the six paths. Controling 6 other bodies to control these six paths may or may not have been the same way in wich the original Sage controled these powers.

    Another possibility may be a temple to the sage of the six paths or a book. Since he was the inventor of ninjutsu and the creator of the ninja world it may not be so farfetched to think that the original sage of the six paths may have had a temple dedicated to him.

    @ broken1i : I’ll get a wordpress account as soon as i can thanks for your help

    PS is it true that there will be no Naruto episode this week due to Golden week? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Week_(Japan) I hope not

  12. ^^I believe so. They did this last year as well.

  13. nooooooooooo! so we have to wait one more week . torture 🙂 . I would be ok with it if we would get two episodes next week wich i doubt would ever happen.

  14. yeah they usually follow it up with one lol

  15. damn those flashbacks….
    anyway..any1 else feal naruto is just lucky at winning his fights

    ok first with Kakzu….he fought him and he had 3 hearts only and even got saved!

    and now he fought Pain when God realm was charging his power

    so lame ….and then look at sasuke defeating didara with his FULL power and was one awsome fight

    i think the writer should even things up by making naruto win in a fair fight. what do you think about that guys? 😉

    and still i think sharingan is stronger than Rinnegan sice madara seems to be the trongest ninja so far in the story and even stronger than the fourth

    also i dont get this…if the fourth aready knew that madara can control the nine-tales power then why the heck he sealed it in naruto at the first place!!

  16. @ Itachi-fan: I think Naruto developed too fast. The kid developed Sage mode in less than ten chapters. That and he completed the rasenshuriken which the fourth wasn’t able to somehow. Idk if the sharingan is stronger than the rinnegan, but its definitely the most versatile given its genjutsu. I wouldn’t say that Madara is stronger than the fourth quite yet. More has to be revealed before I conclude anything on that. The fourth had a choice to make. Defeat Madara or stop the nine-tails from destroying the village.

  17. Or maybe he thought that Naruto’s power combined with Kyuubi could win against Madara.

  18. yes maybe this could be true and like u said naruto developed too fast…

    and about madara and the fourth…4th said madara saw through everything he did so i think that means madara is stronger..well maybe

    anyway i hope this arc ends soon cuz i cant wait to know what are sasuke true plans about konoha and his “new” power

    and also if u take a look at sasuke attacks and naruto…sasuke’s are much much cooler than naruto’s..kerin-eye tecs-chidori-shurikins
    naruto only has rasingan(all typs) and shadow clons

    so as i said before the writer should even things a little between them…atleast thats what i think

  19. Naruto Raw now available they seemed to have been confirmed so here it is for those who wish to see it:

    http://my-naruto-blog.blogspot.com/2009/04/naruto-446-raw.html

    Original script:

    弥彦たちは組織をつくり→半蔵がダンゾウと組み弥彦を殺した→それが2つ目の痛み

    んじゃ話の流れは
    子犬が死んだ後半蔵と互角に戦った
    木の葉の忍(ジライヤ達に)弟子入り志願をし
    卒業まで
    ジライヤは長門の修行には輪廻眼を扱えるような修行をさせる~
    卒業して最後に長門に
    六道仙人の話(ここで少し初代六道仙人の話が出てくる)
    卒業後3年たって弥彦・長門・小南は組織を作る
    組織がでかくなり無視できなくなった半蔵は
    弥彦達の組織と手を組んで争いをしている木の葉・岩隠れ・砂
    の3国を停戦させる様手を貸して欲しいと頼まれ
    疑うことを知らなかった若い3人は承諾してしまう
    そこからが地獄の始まり
    画ばれでもあるよう
    話し合いの場所でまっていたのは人質にとられた小南と半蔵
    木の葉の暗部達を引き連れたダンゾウ

    自分の地位が脅かされそれを守るように組織のリーダーを暗殺して
    自分の地位を守ろうとする半蔵と
    木の葉の火影の座を狙うダンゾウが手を組む

    後は画ばれのとうり弥彦は長門の手を取り自殺
    終了~

    背表紙はナルトの体で誰かからリレーのバトンを受け取っている絵でした

    English script by Yagami:

    Yahiko and the others decides to creates an organization –> Hanzou and Danzou ( Sai’s boss, look like ) teams up and kill Yahiko. –>
    This is the 2nd Pain

    Yahiko, Konan and Nagato decided to form a organization and fight with Konoha and Iwa Gakure.
    The organization was so big Hanzou couldn’t ignore it.
    Iwa, Konoha and Yahiko’s manage to have a ceasefire after years of battle.
    That’s when Hell began.

    The one who awaited them at the place where the ceasefire was supposed to be negociated was Hanzou, who took Konan was a hostage, and Danzou from Konoha’s Anbu.
    Konoha and Iwa agreed on a fake ceasefire to bait Yahiko and assassinate him.
    Hanzou expected his actions would make him a better candidate to the Hokage place.
    Then Yahiko takes Nagato’s hands and commit suicide.

    Translation by ANBU

    Text from pictures

    First Pic:
    Nagato : We decided Yahiko would be the leader,
    then our organization became famous before we knew it.

    Second Pic:
    That was the man named Danzou, from Konoha.
    He formed an alliance with Hanzou to take the place of Hokage.

    Hanzou : For me, you whole existance is an eyesore !
    Yahiko ! You’re the leader here, your life ends here !
    If you don’t fight to kill eachother, this girl dies right here, right now !

    Last Pic:
    Yahiko : Konan, you must survive by any mean.
    You’re the angel of this world.
    Yahiko died, this was the second Pain
    Where were supposed to have been matured, grow up …

    This was exactly like when my parents died.
    That’s when I realized that my answers were just nothing.
    Sidetext : Nagato’s awakening

  20. I really wanted a mysterious character to be introduced into the storytelling of Nagato. Hanzou has answered some of these wants of mine but it has only added to the mistery of the character. I really want to know what his intentions are now and where he has been during the total destruction of Konohana. Maybe he’s helping Madara O_o I know some of you guys think that he’s an okay guy but this part of the story just adds to me hatting Hanzou just a bit more.

    At least this story has completly disproved any theories that people had where Hanzou might be Madara or Tobi. Those theories were kinda silly. Nagato would never knowigly work alongside someone who helped to murder Yakiko.

    I expect at least one or two more chapters that will hopefully explain the source of Pain’s powers and how he learned them.

  21. It’s really good to know how Nagato became who he is. But, I don’t know… I think we complete lost the sense of time. Is Neiji still in Konoha? Did Inoichi and Shikaku return to the village or meet Neiji? Are they close or far from there? Where is Yamato and Sai? Naruto and Nagato can talk that much? Why Konan doesn’t close the origami door? Why don’t we have some flashes of what’s going on right now and where everyone are? Why? Why? Whyyyyyy? O.o?

    @manny814: Hanzo for me is an enemy like any other, but Danzo is in my hate mail list 😀

  22. This might be a technique that Kishi uses to keep the element of suprize. We become so concentrated in the development of the story that we might just slightly forget some of what the other characters might be doing. And then when we least expect it Bam !!! something suprizing happens. O.O

  23. We might see some of these characters be used as moments of filler while Naruto makes his final decision against Nagato. We might see a meeting between Neji & Lee and Inoichi & Shikaku who would finally and hopefuly stop them from interupting the meeting. While Yamato & Sai have a meeting with the messangers that Raikage sent.

  24. Sorry about the delay guys, I’m releasing a statement today

  25. That was a stupid way to die, Yahiko. ¬¬

  26. It was weird to see the human side of Yahiko. To see him smile and sacrifice himself for his friends has strange after seeing a zombie like version of him as Pain fight Naruto.

  27. An old theory of mine might be getting stronger:

    I think that Danzou would argue that Tsunade was incompetent, and unable to handle things(Pain,Sasuske, and Akatski),during the Kage meeting that Raikage has demanded which will probably happen right after the Nagato fight ends.

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/417/15/

    Raikage seems to be a thougher leader than Tsunade and demands why Sasuske and Akatski have not been proparly taken cared of yet by the Hidden Leaf. Raikage would find Danzou’s methods more effective.

    And now that we know from the Raw 446 version that Hanzou and Danzou have worked together there might be an aliance between root-Hanzou and Raikage.

    Hanzou might have some support from Raikage if he decides to call Tsunade out in the midle of the Kage meeting as an incompetent Hokage. Danzou might even request to be guiven more power in the Leaf or even to become the 6th Hokage !!! Dum dum dummmm 0_0

  28. so…it seems pain will turn out to be not as bad as it seems just like itachi

    and im afraid that in the net chapters madara maybe the one who saved nagato and konan so he turns out to be not that evil too ;P

    the only true evil guy seems to be danzu which i hope will get his ass kicked by sasuke

    and i wonder WHERE IS KABUTO AND WHAT THE HECK HAPPENED TO HIM NOW…but i think he wont be able to control orochimaru power and oro~ will take control of him and get back in the pic again.

    damn so many aspects in the story….

  29. 446 is out finally =p

    http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/446/

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